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Support #7134

Use of PTRC.Op to issue trip to PIU

Added by Christophe CAMELIS 19 days ago. Updated about 20 hours ago.

Status:
Resolved
Priority:
Normal
Assignee:
Category:
Standard clarification required
Start date:
02/21/2025
Due date:
% Done:

0%

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WG10 Proposal:
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Discuss in Upcoming Meeting:
No
To discuss in WG10:
No
Short Proposal:
Standard(s):
Needs More Information:
No
Assigned TF:
61850-7-500 Ed2

Description

During IOP 2024, an IED do not have the DO PTRC.Tr in its data model to issue a trip to the PIU. It uses PTRC.Op.
https://redmine.ucaiug.org/issues/6960

See IEC 61850-7-4 Ed2.1 Subclause 6.11.1:
« The protection functions provide (if applicable) the data object Op (Operate) without direction information. The data object Op is conditioned by LN PTRC resulting in the data object Tr ("real" trip), that in between every protection LN and the circuit breaker node XCBR shall be a LN PTRC . »

Does the standard allow an IED that does not perform conditioning not to implement PTRC.Tr?

The IEC 61850 standard should limit the number of ways to issue a trip between different IEDs. As pDO could be used in PIU to specify the expected input, if only PTRC.Op exists, it would not match.


Proposal descriptions

During the UCA IOP triage meeting, it was suggested that TF 7-5/7-500 be consulted.


Related issues

Copied to 61850-7-5 and 61850-7-500 - IEC61850-7-5 #7157: Use of PTRC.Op to issue trip to PIUNewKeith Gray02/21/2025

Actions
#1

Updated by Carlos Rodriguez del Castillo 16 days ago

  • Discuss in Upcoming Meeting changed from No to Yes
#2

Updated by Carlos Rodriguez del Castillo about 20 hours ago

  • Category set to Standard clarification required
  • Status changed from New to Resolved
  • Assignee set to Keith Gray
  • Discuss in Upcoming Meeting changed from Yes to No
  • Assigned TF 61850-7-500 Ed2 added
  • Assigned TF deleted (None)

A clarification is needed in the standard to state that PTRC.Tr must exist if the PTRC instance trips the breaker. 7-500 will cover the issue.

#3

Updated by Vladan Cvejic about 20 hours ago

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